diff --git a/lib/utils.pm b/lib/utils.pm
index 5bb599f9..6c9c31d4 100644
--- a/lib/utils.pm
+++ b/lib/utils.pm
@@ -715,6 +715,7 @@ sub gnome_initial_setup {
     # mode (when user was created during install)
     my %args = (
         prelogin => 0,
+        live => 0,
         timeout => 120,
         @_
     );
@@ -729,18 +730,38 @@ sub gnome_initial_setup {
     my @nexts = ('language', 'keyboard', 'privacy', 'timezone', 'software');
     # now, we're going to figure out how many of them this test will
     # *actually* see...
+    if ($args{live}) {
+        # this is the flow we see when booting an F39+ Workstation live
+        # we only get language and keyboard
+        @nexts = ('language', 'keyboard')
+    }
     if ($args{prelogin}) {
-        # 'language', 'keyboard' and 'timezone' are skipped on F28+ in
-        # the 'new user' mode by
+        # 'language', 'keyboard' and 'timezone' were skipped between F28
+        # and F38 in the 'new user' mode by
         # https://fedoraproject.org//wiki/Changes/ReduceInitialSetupRedundancy
         # https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1474787 ,
-        # except 'language' is never *really* skipped (see above)
-        @nexts = grep { $_ ne 'keyboard' } @nexts;
-        @nexts = grep { $_ ne 'timezone' } @nexts;
+        # except 'language' was never *really* skipped (see above)
+        # From gnome-initial-setup 45~beta-3 on, these screens aren't
+        # skipped in vendor.conf. They should be skipped for live
+        # installs because they were shown preinstall on the new webUI
+        # workflow, but this is broken till
+        # https://github.com/rhinstaller/anaconda/pull/5056 is merged.
+        # network installs and disk image deployments will show these
+        # screens (which is good for disk image deployments, but
+        # redundant for network installs)
+        # FIXME make this conditional version-based after the anaconda
+        # updates land and g-i-s is tagged again. modify it to drop
+        # the pages on F39+ live installs once the anaconda PR is
+        # merged or addressed some other way
+        my $advortask = get_var("ADVISORY_OR_TASK");
+        unless ($advortask eq "FEDORA-2023-80c0846ede" || $advortask eq "FEDORA-2023-3172dea90a") {
+            @nexts = grep { $_ ne 'keyboard' } @nexts;
+            @nexts = grep { $_ ne 'timezone' } @nexts;
+        }
     }
     else {
         # 'timezone' and 'software' are suppressed for the 'existing user'
-        # form of g-i-s
+        # form of g-i-s (upstream, not in vendor.conf)
         @nexts = grep { $_ ne 'software' } @nexts;
         @nexts = grep { $_ ne 'timezone' } @nexts;
     }
@@ -767,23 +788,35 @@ sub gnome_initial_setup {
     }
     # GDM 3.24.1 dumps a cursor in the middle of the screen here...
     mouse_hide if ($args{prelogin});
-    for my $n (1 .. scalar(@nexts)) {
+    foreach my $next (@nexts) {
         # click 'Next' $nexts times, moving the mouse to avoid
         # highlight problems, sleeping to give it time to get
         # to the next screen between clicks
         mouse_set(100, 100);
-        if ($n == 1) {
+        if ($next eq 'language') {
             # only accept start_setup one time, to avoid matching
             # on it during transition to next screen. also accept
             # next_button as in per-user mode, first screen has that
             # not start_setup
             wait_screen_change { assert_and_click ["next_button", "start_setup"]; };
         }
+        elsif ($next eq 'timezone') {
+            assert_screen ["next_button", "next_button_inactive"];
+            if (match_has_tag "next_button_inactive") {
+                record_soft_failure "geolocation failed!";
+                send_key "tab";
+                wait_still_screen 3;
+                type_very_safely "washington-d";
+                send_key "down";
+                send_key "ret";
+            }
+            wait_screen_change { assert_and_click "next_button"; };
+        }
         else {
             wait_screen_change { assert_and_click "next_button"; };
         }
     }
-    unless (get_var("VNC_CLIENT")) {
+    unless (get_var("VNC_CLIENT") || $args{live}) {
         # We should be at the GOA screen, except on VNC_CLIENT case
         # where network isn't working yet. click 'Skip' one time. If
         # it's not visible we may have hit
@@ -797,7 +830,10 @@ sub gnome_initial_setup {
             record_soft_failure "GOA screen not seen! Likely RHBZ #1997310";
         }
     }
+    # on the 'live' flow, this will launch the installer
     send_key "ret";
+    # we don't want to do anything further on the 'live' flow
+    return if ($args{live});
     if ($args{prelogin}) {
         # create user
         my $user_login = get_var("USER_LOGIN") || "test";
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/identification/version_39-webui-20230821.json b/needles/anaconda/identification/version_39-webui-20230821.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..c63ead27
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/identification/version_39-webui-20230821.json
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "width": 177,
+      "height": 28,
+      "ypos": 92,
+      "type": "match",
+      "xpos": 14
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "version_39_ident"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/identification/version_39-webui-20230821.png b/needles/anaconda/identification/version_39-webui-20230821.png
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diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-20230821.json b/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-20230821.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..ba79b308
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-20230821.json
@@ -0,0 +1,24 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "type": "match",
+      "xpos": 483,
+      "width": 58,
+      "height": 58,
+      "ypos": 186
+    },
+    {
+      "xpos": 496,
+      "type": "match",
+      "height": 17,
+      "ypos": 378,
+      "width": 35
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "anaconda_install_done",
+    "ENV-DISTRI-fedora",
+    "LANGUAGE-english"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-20230821.png b/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-20230821.png
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..640034de
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diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-small-20230822.json b/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-small-20230822.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..dc58f03f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-small-20230822.json
@@ -0,0 +1,24 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "height": 58,
+      "ypos": 198,
+      "width": 58,
+      "xpos": 480,
+      "type": "match"
+    },
+    {
+      "xpos": 492,
+      "type": "match",
+      "width": 35,
+      "height": 17,
+      "ypos": 390
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "anaconda_install_done",
+    "ENV-DISTRI-fedora",
+    "LANGUAGE-english"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-small-20230822.png b/needles/anaconda/webui/install_done-webui-quit-small-20230822.png
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..63583abf
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diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/select_disk_1-webui-20230821.json b/needles/anaconda/webui/select_disk_1-webui-20230821.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..490fbd24
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/webui/select_disk_1-webui-20230821.json
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "xpos": 280,
+      "ypos": 309,
+      "width": 30,
+      "height": 17,
+      "type": "match"
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "anaconda_install_destination_select_disk_1"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/select_disk_1-webui-20230821.png b/needles/anaconda/webui/select_disk_1-webui-20230821.png
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..93217e16
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diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_begin_installation-20230821.json b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_begin_installation-20230821.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..0b2fc952
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_begin_installation-20230821.json
@@ -0,0 +1,17 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "height": 17,
+      "ypos": 727,
+      "width": 154,
+      "type": "match",
+      "xpos": 363
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "ENV-DISTRI-fedora",
+    "LANGUAGE-english",
+    "anaconda_webui_begin_installation"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_begin_installation-20230821.png b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_begin_installation-20230821.png
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..c843fc97
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diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-20230821.json b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-20230821.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..3b2c13ab
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-20230821.json
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "xpos": 270,
+      "ypos": 472,
+      "width": 154,
+      "height": 17,
+      "type": "match"
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "anaconda_webui_confirm_installation"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-20230821.png b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-20230821.png
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..71f3a31b
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diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-alt-20230821.json b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-alt-20230821.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..7b382cd3
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-alt-20230821.json
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "type": "match",
+      "xpos": 266,
+      "ypos": 463,
+      "height": 17,
+      "width": 154
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "anaconda_webui_confirm_installation"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-alt-20230821.png b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_confirm_installation-alt-20230821.png
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..e1564ee7
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diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_disk_select-20230821.json b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_disk_select-20230821.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..7b7438a1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_disk_select-20230821.json
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "xpos": 602,
+      "ypos": 258,
+      "width": 21,
+      "height": 37,
+      "type": "match"
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "anaconda_webui_disk_select"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_disk_select-20230821.png b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_disk_select-20230821.png
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..84d87ac0
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diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_next-20230821.json b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_next-20230821.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..2b7c3ad0
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_next-20230821.json
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "xpos": 363,
+      "ypos": 724,
+      "width": 40,
+      "height": 20,
+      "type": "match"
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "anaconda_webui_next"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_next-20230821.png b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_next-20230821.png
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index 00000000..135606ca
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diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_welcome-20230821.json b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_welcome-20230821.json
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..80836dda
--- /dev/null
+++ b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_welcome-20230821.json
@@ -0,0 +1,15 @@
+{
+  "area": [
+    {
+      "xpos": 264,
+      "ypos": 158,
+      "width": 311,
+      "height": 25,
+      "type": "match"
+    }
+  ],
+  "properties": [],
+  "tags": [
+    "anaconda_webui_welcome"
+  ]
+}
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_welcome-20230821.png b/needles/anaconda/webui/webui_welcome-20230821.png
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index 00000000..84d87ac0
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diff --git a/tests/_boot_to_anaconda.pm b/tests/_boot_to_anaconda.pm
index e481eb26..351d212f 100644
--- a/tests/_boot_to_anaconda.pm
+++ b/tests/_boot_to_anaconda.pm
@@ -117,10 +117,17 @@ sub run {
                     send_key "ret";
                 }
                 # on lives, we have to explicitly launch anaconda
+                my $launched = 0;
                 my $count = 5;
                 while ($count > 0) {
                     $count -= 1;
-                    assert_screen ["live_start_anaconda_icon", "apps_menu_button_active"], 300;
+                    assert_screen ["live_start_anaconda_icon", "apps_menu_button_active", "next_button"], 300;
+                    if (match_has_tag "next_button") {
+                        # we're on F39+ Workstation and looking at gnome-initial-setup
+                        # completing g-i-s launches the installer
+                        gnome_initial_setup(live => 1);
+                        $launched = 1;
+                    }
                     if (match_has_tag "apps_menu_button_active") {
                         # give GNOME some time to be sure it's done starting up
                         # and ready for input
@@ -133,20 +140,31 @@ sub run {
                         last;
                     }
                 }
-                # for KDE we need to double-click
-                my $relnum = get_release_number;
-                my $dclick = 0;
-                $dclick = 1 if (get_var("DESKTOP") eq "kde");
-                assert_and_click("live_start_anaconda_icon", dclick => $dclick);
-                unless (check_screen "anaconda_select_install_lang", 180) {
-                    # click it again - on KDE since 2019-10 or so it seems
-                    # like the first attempt sometimes just doesn't work
-                    assert_and_click("live_start_anaconda_icon", dclick => $dclick, timeout => 300);
+                # if we hit the g-i-s flow we already launched
+                unless ($launched) {
+                    # for KDE we need to double-click
+                    my $relnum = get_release_number;
+                    my $dclick = 0;
+                    $dclick = 1 if (get_var("DESKTOP") eq "kde");
+                    assert_and_click("live_start_anaconda_icon", dclick => $dclick);
+                    unless (check_screen "anaconda_select_install_lang", 180) {
+                        # click it again - on KDE since 2019-10 or so it seems
+                        # like the first attempt sometimes just doesn't work
+                        assert_and_click("live_start_anaconda_icon", dclick => $dclick, timeout => 300);
+                    }
                 }
             }
+            # wait for anaconda to appear
+            assert_screen ["anaconda_select_install_lang", "anaconda_webui_welcome"], 300;
+            # on webUI path we are done now, also set a var so later
+            # tests know if we're on the webUI path
+            if (match_has_tag "anaconda_webui_welcome") {
+                set_var("_ANACONDA_WEBUI", 1);
+                return;
+            }
+            # we click to work around RHBZ #1566066 if it happens
+            click_lastmatch;
             my $language = get_var('LANGUAGE') || 'english';
-            # wait for anaconda to appear; we click to work around
-            # RHBZ #1566066 if it happens
             assert_and_click("anaconda_select_install_lang", timeout => 300);
 
             # Select install language
diff --git a/tests/_do_install_and_reboot.pm b/tests/_do_install_and_reboot.pm
index 9af2d50f..39e0cf96 100644
--- a/tests/_do_install_and_reboot.pm
+++ b/tests/_do_install_and_reboot.pm
@@ -55,6 +55,7 @@ sub _do_root_and_user {
 
 sub run {
     my $self = shift;
+    my $webui = 0;
     # From F31 onwards (after Fedora-Rawhide-20190722.n.1), user and
     # root password spokes are moved to main hub, so we must do those
     # before we run the install.
@@ -63,9 +64,13 @@ sub run {
     # Sometimes, the 'slide in from the top' animation messes with
     # this - by the time we click the button isn't where it was any
     # more. So wait for screen to stop moving before we click.
-    assert_screen "anaconda_main_hub_begin_installation", 90;
+    assert_screen ["anaconda_main_hub_begin_installation", "anaconda_webui_begin_installation"], 90;
     wait_still_screen 5;
-    assert_and_click "anaconda_main_hub_begin_installation";
+    assert_and_click ["anaconda_main_hub_begin_installation", "anaconda_webui_begin_installation"];
+    if (match_has_tag "anaconda_webui_begin_installation") {
+        $webui = 1;
+        assert_and_click "anaconda_webui_confirm_installation";
+    }
 
     # If we want to test identification we will do it
     # on several places in this procedure, such as
@@ -74,7 +79,7 @@ sub run {
     my $identification = get_var('IDENTIFICATION');
     my $branched = get_var('VERSION');
     if ($identification eq 'true' or ($branched ne "Rawhide" && $branched ne "ELN")) {
-        check_left_bar();
+        check_left_bar() unless ($webui);
         check_prerelease();
         check_version();
     }
@@ -105,7 +110,8 @@ sub run {
     wait_still_screen 3;
     # if this is a live install, let's go ahead and quit the installer
     # in all cases, just to make sure quitting doesn't crash etc.
-    assert_and_click "anaconda_install_done" if (get_var('LIVE'));
+    # not on web UI, as it immediately reboots
+    assert_and_click "anaconda_install_done" if (get_var('LIVE') && !$webui);
     # there are various things we might have to do at a console here
     # before we actually reboot. let's figure them all out first...
     my @actions;
@@ -120,9 +126,10 @@ sub run {
         }
     }
     # memcheck test doesn't need to reboot at all. Rebooting from GUI
-    # for lives is unreliable. And if we're already doing something
+    # for no-webUI lives is unreliable (webUI lives reboot on "Quit"
+    # just like non-lives). And if we're already doing something
     # else at a console, we may as well reboot from there too
-    push(@actions, 'reboot') if (!get_var("MEMCHECK") && (get_var("LIVE") || @actions));
+    push(@actions, 'reboot') if (!get_var("MEMCHECK") && ((get_var("LIVE") && !$webui) || @actions));
     # our approach for taking all these actions doesn't work on VNC
     # installs, fortunately we don't need any of them in that case
     # yet, so for now let's just flush the list here if we're VNC
diff --git a/tests/_software_selection.pm b/tests/_software_selection.pm
index 53d032f6..22a9c94a 100644
--- a/tests/_software_selection.pm
+++ b/tests/_software_selection.pm
@@ -4,8 +4,6 @@ use testapi;
 
 sub run {
     my $self = shift;
-    # Anaconda hub
-    assert_screen "anaconda_main_hub", 300;
 
     # Select package set. Minimal is the default, if 'default' is specified, skip selection,
     # but verify correct default in some cases
diff --git a/tests/disk_guided_empty.pm b/tests/disk_guided_empty.pm
index 8b60fb70..a374418a 100644
--- a/tests/disk_guided_empty.pm
+++ b/tests/disk_guided_empty.pm
@@ -9,9 +9,26 @@ sub run {
     # If we want to test graphics during installation, we need to
     # call the test suite with an "IDENTIFICATION=true" variable.
     my $identification = get_var('IDENTIFICATION');
-    # Anaconda hub
-    # Go to INSTALLATION DESTINATION and ensure one disk is selected.
-    select_disks();
+    assert_screen ["anaconda_main_hub", "anaconda_webui_welcome"];
+    if (match_has_tag "anaconda_webui_welcome") {
+        # long term we'll want two paths through select_disks or
+        # a webui_select_disks, but for now, just throw it in here
+        # as it's simple on this single path
+        assert_and_click "anaconda_webui_disk_select";
+        assert_and_click "anaconda_install_destination_select_disk_1";
+        # assume default selection is the appropriate one; if it
+        # isn't, we'll fail soon enough
+        wait_screen_change { assert_and_click "anaconda_webui_next"; };
+        wait_still_screen 3;
+        # click through the 'encrypt my data' screen
+        assert_and_click "anaconda_webui_next";
+        # for now, skip the self-identification checks
+        return;
+    }
+    else {
+        # Go to INSTALLATION DESTINATION and ensure one disk is selected.
+        select_disks();
+    }
 
     # updates.img tests work by changing the appearance of the INSTALLATION
     # DESTINATION screen, so check that if needed.